What the Collective has been up to lately

At least for the collective, I know what they have been up to. My recruit was also called in to finish this, it took some massive effort. I could feel it myself. They have expanded their world to include an underworld. A hell dimension, simply. I saw it happen after the initial formation was done. I think they built it in sections, like one team carved out the rooms and corridors, others did the planning, etc. Then when all pieces were finished they had to push the whole thing into place. It seems like the universe functions like magnets. You can make things float if you place them in the right place, and with the right construct it's possible to just drop/push things into place and the universal magnetism will keep it there indefinitely.

The collective world does not have sinners, so they didn't build this before because they don't need it. But someone came up with the idea to run it as a private prison and make a profit. The collective world already included some lower dimensions, but there was nothing there, just some rocks.

It was pretty amazing to see this form. After the construct was finished the infernal beasts and 2 legged demons (looked a bit like satyrs) arrived. After that some prisoners were sent over in a bus from the human world's public hell. Supposedly the public hell is crowded from all the stupidity people are into.

This probably explains the shadowy figure who was snooping around my place yesterday night. These things shouldn't get through in here normally so I was wondering what that was about. It was probably someone looking for a job in the new underworld.

So they are now finished and back into "normal" business ?

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Btw. Seriously a private prison ? I mean did they copied it from the humans ? oO

Omg these business succubus.... seriously?

Ark wrote:The collective world does not have sinners, so they didn't build this before because they don't need it. But someone came up with the idea to run it as a private prison and make a profit.

Interesting. I'm not sure I like the whole sound of it, but thanks for sharing this information with us. I have to wonder what this notion of 'profit' involves.

Ark wrote:After that some prisoners were sent over in a bus from the human world's public hell. Supposedly the public hell is crowded from all the stupidity people are into.

No more room in Hell? That sounds quite severe... It gives me the impression that this 'Hell' dimension is limited in the same way that a 3D physical prison centre would be limited in terms of size, space, and capacity.

Comet wrote:

Ark wrote:The collective world does not have sinners, so they didn't build this before because they don't need it. But someone came up with the idea to run it as a private prison and make a profit.

Interesting. I'm not sure I like the whole sound of it, but thanks for sharing this information with us. I have to wonder what this notion of 'profit' involves.

Mafia anyone ?

Comet wrote:

Ark wrote:The collective world does not have sinners, so they didn't build this before because they don't need it. But someone came up with the idea to run it as a private prison and make a profit.

Interesting. I'm not sure I like the whole sound of it, but thanks for sharing this information with us. I have to wonder what this notion of 'profit' involves.

It's all about energy, I would guess. The only "currency" in these worlds, I suppose... can't think of something else.

Comet wrote:
Interesting. I'm not sure I like the whole sound of it, but thanks for sharing this information with us. I have to wonder what this notion of 'profit' involves.

No more room in Hell? That sounds quite severe... It gives me the impression that this 'Hell' dimension is limited in the same way that a 3D physical prison centre would be limited in terms of size, space, and capacity.

I've researched this area a bit before... To me it seems that Hell as we think of it, is more of a system of underworld dimensions. It functions as a paranormal collection agency. People are supposed to pay back their debts while they are alive. If they don't do this they have to pay back in their next lifetime (what we call Karma). But some people have a really stubborn personality and are not going to pay back in the next lifetime either. Maybe they have found ways to increase their debts to other people over several lifetimes and they are still not voluntarily paying it back. When the creditors die they will be approached by an infernal demon who will offer to collect the debt. They probably charge a % fee of it, but the creditor will be pretty upset by now, so he will agree to it. Then next time the stubborn person dies, the infernal demon will step up and show the contract signed by the creditor. So the one who didn't pay up gets handed over to the infernal demon and he takes that person to hell. Then the person will be subjected to different kinds of forceful means that are intended to make him pay.

So imagine then someone who pulls off a lot of successful scams and gets away with it. A lot of people will want their money (or emotional damage) payed back. There will be an army of debt collector demons waiting for them.

But this is so common now and the main public hell of the human world is not so well suited for complicated cases. They use their standard methods and it's not always so effective. Individual countries of the world seem to have corresponding lower worlds as well, and they receive those who have debts to that specific area. I think the collective probably choose to specialize in certain cases and employed some demons who have these specific skills. It's not a bad thing that they do, the people they handle are indebted to other people and have hurt them a lot.

I encourage you to take a look yourself. The underworld they built is very nicely crafted. There really is a feminine touch to it and a care and love. It may sound a bit funny but they care about keeping livestock and pets and they seem to look at the infernal beasts as a kind of domestic animals. As for the people being sent there, the specific agreements are made by the employed demons, succubus don't get involved.

Note on Profit:
You have to forget the idea that things are different "here" and "over there." Money represents a social value, a position among humans. It can force someone to do things for you, so it equals power. It is a kind of energy and just like it's said in physics, it can't be destroyed, only transformed. So it will become something of equal usefulness in other dimensions.

Is there a chance that they abandon the business (capitalism/energism) model and choose a federal/democracy model ?

I mean all they want is energy... free succubus, happy companions = more energy

Ok, now you can start call me unrealistic and romantic and so on.

seirus86 wrote:Is there a chance that they abandon the business (capitalism/energism) model and choose a federal/democracy model ?

I mean all they want is energy... free succubus, happy companions = more energy

Ok, now you can start call me unrealistic and romantic and so on.

Unrealistic, romantic, naive... lol

Democracy? Well, they had their free will and made their choices... how much more democracy than that do you want?

Ark, based on your version of things, where come the good deeds in this equation?
Based on what you said, good deeds should create energy too, so it must be of some value over there too. Is that not so?

Jimy wrote:

seirus86 wrote:Is there a chance that they abandon the business (capitalism/energism) model and choose a federal/democracy model ?

I mean all they want is energy... free succubus, happy companions = more energy

Ok, now you can start call me unrealistic and romantic and so on.

Unrealistic, romantic, naive... lol

Democracy? Well, they had their free will and made their choices... how much more democracy than that do you want?

Don't you have to swim for a while with your mermaids and snakes ? oO


I just meant, it would be much more energy if they would stay and built a more emotionally connection... maybe its just me..

seirus86 wrote:I just meant, it would be much more energy if they would stay and built a more emotionally connection... maybe its just me..

I can imagine it might be about how much time and effort is spent on the outcome. More time spent on building up a connection may not actually mean 'more' in regards to positive results, energy and progress for themselves.

With that said, I don't deal or dabble with succubi, so, yeah. I have my minor interests, but that's about as far as it goes. I know nothing, basically

seirus86 wrote:Is there a chance that they abandon the business (capitalism/energism) model and choose a federal/democracy model ?

They can all do what they want, and if others like what they do or suggest, they will support it. This is how they came to build volcanos, caves and more islands. Is this not democracy already? Is it really democracy if there is a government or parliament? I think not, because that is not "people rule" - that is "parliament rule."

From wikipedia:
The term originates from the Greek δημοκρατία (dēmokratía) "rule of the people",[4] which was found from δῆμος (dêmos) "people" and κράτος (krátos) "power" or "rule"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

As for the situation of individuals (seirus I'm referring to your succubus here) it's noone else's fault what personal relations or trouble someone gets themselves into. If your family or workplace is limiting you, it's a not a problem with the country as a whole.  

Jimy wrote:Ark, based on your version of things, where come the good deeds in this equation?
Based on what you said, good deeds should create energy too, so it must be of some value over there too. Is that not so?

Good or evil does not apply for succubus, they don't follow principles or laws made by Gods. The entire concept of "good in and of itself" as well as "evil in and of itself" is from religion created by positive beings. These refer to principles that are objective and outside of themselves. This way they follow "rule by law" rather than their own ideas and feelings.

Succubus are demons so their concepts of good or evil means just "good for me" and "bad for me." It's only from the view of themselves as individuals. A lot of the time it may be beneficial to follow someone stronger, so it may seem they have laws too, but it's just that they find it "good" for themselves to have that leader right now. They don't assume any principal standpoint, if someone stronger shows up they would follow that one instead. In the case of those who have a hierarchy.

This is how I understand it.

Ark wrote:
As for the situation of individuals (seirus I'm referring to your succubus here) it's noone else's fault what personal relations or trouble someone gets themselves into. If your family or workplace is limiting you, it's a not a problem with the country as a whole.  

Yea i know... its just im feeling so helpless...im not able to communicate with them - like you suggested. You (and the succubi) should it see more with a twinkling eye.
I mean i love them... i just need more time to train my abilities.